Questions, Questions, Questions 2
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Q & A 25 Sep 2008 Do I Have To Pay taxes?
Question: I currently live and work outside the US so I don’t owe US federal or State income tax on my wages. If I start making money online, and come to live in the Philippines, do I have to pay US taxes, especially Self Employment taxes? What are some ways to minimize the US tax bite?
Answer: First of all, you have to really understand I am not an expert … and especially if you are setting up a business … which one hopes would be successful … you really need advice from a qualified professional. My answers are personal opinions, based on personal experience and may be injurious to your pocketbook if you don’t check and double check what you are doing. Setting up a business the wrong way and then changing it to fix errors made at the beginning may prove much more expensive that making the investment in sound professional advice at the start.
Issue 1: Do you have to report? Better to read what the IRS has to say than what I say:
While most people are aware they must include wages, salaries, interest, dividends, tips and commissions as income on their tax returns, many don’t realize that they must also report most other income, such as:
cash earned from side jobs, (my emphasis)
barter exchanges of goods or services,
awards, prizes, contest winnings and
gambling proceeds. ….Taxpayers must report all income from any source and any country (my emphasis) unless it is explicitly exempt under the U.S. tax code. There may be taxable income from certain transactions even if no money changes hands….
It is a common misconception that if a taxpayer does not receive a Form 1099-MISC or if the income is under $600 per payer, the income is not taxable. There is no minimum amount that a taxpayer may exclude from gross income.
All income earned through the taxpayer’s business, as an independent contractor or from informal side jobs is self-employment income, which is fully taxable and must be reported on Form 1040…
Much more explaining tax liabilities on the IRS website … it is likely better that you learn before you burn. In particular a lot of people seem to believe some fairy tale that money earned online isn’t taxable … or isn’t taxable if you live outside the US. Not so.
As a matter of fact, Google and other regular US corps routinely report all payments to others as the US tax law requires. eBay and PayPal,two other places people seem to think money can be hidden, always report when subpoenaed. I recently read of an eBay power seller who was failing to report thousands per year in income. Seemed like a great deal to him, saving all those taxes. He got caught when one of his buyers was involved in a phony credit card scam.
In response to the credit card scam investigation the seller’s income amounts just happened to come to the attention if the IRS. Ooops.
Issue 2: Self Employment Tax: Many people balk at the thought of paying (currently) 15.3% of their self employment earnings into the Federal kitty. Sorry, can’t help much there. The truth is every single tax payer pays thise taxes but wage earners normally have more than half paid by their employer so they don’t see such a whopping deduction. You pay it though, one way or another. Again, the IRS is pretty clear about this:
What is Self-Employment Tax?
Self-employment tax (SE tax) is a social security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the social security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners….
SE tax rate. The self-employment tax rate is 15.3%. The rate consists of two parts: 12.4% for social security (old-age, survivors, and disability insurance) and 2.9% for Medicare (hospital insurance)…
Again there is a lot of authoritative information that seems clear enough to me … even when I don’t like what it says … on the IRS’s own site. Many people I’ve talked to over the years seem to get their information from Yahoo Group discussions or bar room conversations. Probably not the best source. If you form a corporation, as just one example, you may be able to legally avoid some of the SE tax bite. Probably a wise thing to consider. You need better assistance than what I can offer on that, though.
Speaking from experience, when my wife and I had our own corporation in the US we essentially didn’t pay SE taxes. However, the overall cost of running the corporation and all the other taxes and reporting requirements I believe came up to more that our SE tax bite would have been. And we gained no earned income toward our Social Security retirement in those years either … once you have a zero year for Social Security, you have a zero year … there is no going back.
Some Conclusions: Well once again I seem to be creating an opus here. Time to wrap things up. My one last, perhaps most important pice of advice on these complex issues. When you seek professional assistance, remember this abut the professionals you are likely to encounter.
Accountants are trained in the practice of accountancy and such subjects of the procedures of how money flows in your business, the best methods to handle your banking and issues along these lines. All accounts have professional training in tax matters and some have a great deal of expertise, but I personally do not recommend you go to an accountant for advice in setting up the basic structure of your business … nor in answering questions about what is and isn’t reportable, what techniques you can use t legally exclude income and minimize taxes, etc.
Who do I recommend then? Simple. A tax attorney. First, a tax attorney is by definition and by professional accreditation an expert on the law. You must be sure you are complying with the law before you get into the intricacies of accounting procedures. Choose an attorney who specializes in tax law and who is enrolled to practice before the IRS.
Other individuals, including CPA’s may also become enrolled to practice before the IRS but there is an important difference. If you engage an attorney, communication between you and that attorney becomes privileged. It can not be disclosed to the IRS. Taxpayer-accountant relationships do not have that advantage of legal privilege. Why is this important?
Neither an attorney nor a lawyer can legally advise you to do something illegal … but you’ll never know if your ideas are legal unless you ask, now will you? If you ask about procedures which later turn out to be illegal, an accountant can be forced to testify about this in court. Your attorney can not. It’s only Dave’s opinion, of course, but I feel that if I am undertaking something which might land me in court later, I might as well protect myself properly from day one.
OK, what other questions do you folks need answers to? A couple came in today. I’ll try to keep this a regular weekly feature of PhilFAQS the source of information about moving to, living in or retiring in the Philippines.
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September 28th, 2008 at 5:46 am
Hahaha - Sorry Dave - but I have to laugh - not at your article but at your WARNING!
One more tip - do not make enemies! Most audits by the Internal Revenue Office are carried out from “anonymous tips”.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:51 am
Hi Dave - CPAs are accredited to practive before the Tax Courts of the US without becoming enrolled agents. As a CPA and a retired corporate tax accountant for one of the Big-Four accounting firms (formerly Big-8, then Big-6, then Big-5, now hopefully the Final-4), I’ve spent considerable time undoing the “wonderful work” of some tax attorneys and time in court.
Additionally, there are privileged communications between a tax client and his CPA that is shielded by law from the IRS. Too, if a tax attorney’s paid advice is illegal, he can easily become a co-defendent and made to testify. Attorney-client privilege is not a defense for conspiracy (to commit fraud or some other illegal act), or some other breach of law.
States require the CPAs they license to complete at least 40 hours of continued professional education (CPE) each year, with a majority of those hours centering on CPA’s area of specialty (audit, tax, IT accounting, forensic accounting, etc.). If one doesn’t stay familiar with current statutes, regulations, statements, etc., one loses his/her license.
btw, Ellen is absolutely correct about anonymous tips and IRS audits.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:17 am
@Ellen: Ha ha, thanks Ellen, that makes at least two of us here with the same warped sense of humor.
And yes, especially in the give and take n-line world, informants are a distinct source of worry if you are doing anything ’shady’. I’ve seen lots of folks in formums and such bragging about the income they didn’t report. Not only are there people who sometimes get vindictive out of pure jealousy or nastiness, but the IRS even pays cash reqwards for whistle-blowers … so if you have a secret little scheme that seems foolproof, better make sure no other fool ever learns about it.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:30 am
@Paul: Thanks Paul. As I clearly said CPA’s are highly trained professionals. But one thing they are _not_ is lawyers, and that was my point.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:05 am
Thanks, Dave. I may have misunderstood your words a little bit.
As to the lawyer issue, yes in most cases (i.e., unless one is a DIY nut) one needs a lawyer to file incorporation and/or other papers to create a business entity in the eyes of the law. Anyone who is not a BAR member attempting to do this for a third party will be cited for practicing law without a license. Plenty of trouble.
CPAs are in a better position to advise on business operations and strategies, as well as providing auditing and tax counseling, planning and compliance services.
CPAs do team up with tax attorneys when preparing tax strategies for their clients. They engage a tax attorney to provide a professional third-party “opinion letter” stating the attorney’s opion on the legality of the strategy.
As for representation in front of the IRS (be it a desk audit, on-site audit, or in tax court), one’s CPA is in a better position to serve their client. Of course, their strength comes from preparation and planning that keeps any incident from rising to a level where interaction with the IRS occurs.
A smart business owner has both a business attorney and a CPA. The attorney helps create and keep the business legal, while the CPA helps keep the business solvent and a “going concern.”
September 29th, 2008 at 4:08 am
I’m confused. If a U.S. citizen moves outside the U.S. and works outside the U.S., what claim does the IRS have on his income? Do i have to pay them no matter where i live, even on the moon? What the hell?
September 29th, 2008 at 4:22 am
@pogidaga: Sorry guy, I don’t make the laws, I only live under them *sigh*. As I said, it’s a common misconception that a US citizen gets tax advantages by living overseas. As far as federal taxes go, it just isn’t the case (except for some provisions regarding salaries paid from outside the US … more than I want to get into here).
A lot of folks have concerns about somehow losing their US citizenship. One of the reasons that aside from criminal activity it’s very hard to lose your US citizenship is, Uncle Sam might lose his tax claims. By the way, permanent resident aliens (Green Card holders) have essentially the same liabilities ans well as non-resident ailens in some cases. The reach of the IRS is long, indeed.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:23 am
@Paul: Got it Paul … thanks for the additional clarification. It is appreciated.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:19 am
@Philly: Since the time I first responded to this message, I came across another blog here in the Philippines which is published by a guy with about as unimpeachable authority on this subject as one can have … a retired agent of the IRS … Rusty Ferguson http://rustyferguson.com/?p=310 Some may enjoy Randy’s views, it’s good to see some more expertise online and the world can always use another retired federal emoyee … but then again, I’m biased
September 30th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Hi Dave, sigh, here we go again. I agree, that IRS and any country’s tax authorities, has far-reaching arms. Not sure of the US, but Canada has a catch all rule to close all loop-holes - it is called the GAAR (General TAx Avoidance Rule). If they don’t catch you under any of the other statutes, then more than likely, they can catch you under the GAAR. BUT you can be very creative in your business set-up, in going around these rules - by hiring a good tax lawyer PLUS a creative CPA.
Declaring “world income” is just that - ALL income irregardless of where you are, unless otherwise stated or specifically exempted in a TREATY agreement between the 2 countries.
If you are a small business, just keep-it-simple-stupid (KISS principle) and declare all your income and pay the taxes due, unless you have lots to spare to hire a good CPA and TAX attorney for advice. You can sleep better this way.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:09 am
@Ellen: Yep, I knew this post would spark some discussion/interest. reporting income is not the same as having to pay taxes on it … what you have to pay is acompletely different issue than what you have to report. But I thought I would throw it out there just because so may US folks I have herad from have the idea that you don’t have to file, don’t have to declare, etc. While your comment was sitting here awaiting a response, our good friend Bob
http://liveinthephilippines.com/bobm/
sent me two links which I’ll republish here.
http://www.usexpatriate.blogspot.com/
http://www.taxmeless.com/index.html
seems to be a wealth of information there from a US-based CPA-Attorney … I know I will be spending some reading time there for sure. As always, thanks for commenting.