Since I was just involved in a small way with someone running afoul of Philippine Immigration regulations I though I ought to post some more clarification on this … there never seems to be any lack of self-styled information on this subject, but there is always a lot of information that is partially or totally incorrect. Mine comes from official sources at the time of writing … updated 10 March 2010.
Do you need a visa to visit as a tourist? Simple question, two different answers depending on your answer to this question … are you planning to stay longer than 21 days in the Philippines. (you count this from the first full day you are in the Philippines, that is the calendar day after the calendar your plane arrives to the calendar day your outbound plane lifts off the ground.) 21 full days or less? No visa required. 22 days or more, visa required. Sounds pretty simple, doesn’t it, yet more people seem to have a problem with this simple rule than anything else I can think of with traveling to the Philippines.
One reason I suppose this is often confused is that it is not always routinely applied. The persons I mentioned at the beginning of the article arrive here on US passports for an actual 22 day stay. They should have gotten a visa, both by law and for a very practical consideration …. cost … but 90% percent of the Americans I’ve dealt with on these issues just travel onward, expecting the lovely blue US passport to heal all wounds.
By law these ladies’ airline should have refused them boarding … the airlines use a database called Timatic which keeps track of all these immigration and documentation niceties) and it is very commonly for ‘name brand’ airline to deny boarding in these cases … since they can be heavily fined by the Philippine government for failing to comply with the law.
However, like many things I write about here, it didn’t happen the ‘book’ way … they both got on the airplane, landed at NAIA and met two separate Immigration Officers. One stamped the first lady’s passport with a visa waiver that expired March 8. 2008. I have no idea where he got that date from. The second lady had her passport stamped with a visa waiver expiring(correctly, according to the law) on 30 January 2008, exactly 21 full days of presence allowed.
Again, why different? Why are certain regulations followed while others don’t seem to be? Why do different airlines seem to have different ways of applying the rules? I can not answer these questions. I can only report on what the law says and on what happens to people in particular situations.
Since both ladies were leaving together on the 31st of January … 22 days after arrival, they were concerned when this matter came up. So I drove both of them to the closest Bureau of Immigration office for a ‘reading’ on their status.
Person one … with the strange expiration date in March?
“AOK, you need nothing, just leave on Jan 31st and enjoy your stay.”
Person two, with the correctly dated stamp expiring one day before her flight.
“You will be fined for overstaying if you wait until 31 Jan … better fill up this form and purchase a 30 day extension (the shortest one sold) for 3,800 pesos while you are here.”
So that’s what we did. And all was well. All would have been just as well, if not better, though, had they ladies done their home work. If you are staying longer than 21 days … even ‘just one day’, then you need a visa.
If you are wanting to avoid getting a visa, easy, just select your arrival and departure dates that are 21 days or less apart … seems simple enough to me.
I want to stay longer, is it hard to get a tourist visa?
Nope, it is absolutely simple. Where you get one depends upon where you live in the US> See this page to tell you the embassy or consulate to use and download and fill up this tourist visa application form to apply.
You send the form, a 2×2 ID picture, your US passport and the fee of $30 USD and a USPS Express Mail envelope addresses back to you in a USPS (post office) Express mail envelope and in a few days you’ll have your passport complete with visa … nor visa waiver … stamped inside.
photo credit: Daquella manera
That gives you 59 days in the Philippines. If you want to stay longer, you can renew for two months at a time for at least a year. Do not by the more expensive multi-entry visas unless you are planning to come and go from the Philippines. All the tourist visas grant 59 days per stay or until renewal … the cheapest single entry is the best.
Now, to wind this up I hear the question coming from many people already … why not come on the 21 day visa waiver program and then extend as your friend, person two, did. Dave?
Answer, there is no reason you can not do this … aside from the fact you are the person who will know that you are violating the laws of the Philippines by doing so, intentionally. But in 8 years I have never heard of anyone having a problem in extending their 21 day Visa Waiver stamp. I am not your lawyer nor your conscience.
I will note this, from the schedule of fees to get a tourist visa issued in advance:
FEES:
US $ 30.00 for single entry visa valid for three (3) months
US $ 60.00 for multiple entry visa valid for six (6) months
US $ 90.00 for multiple entry visa valid for twelve (12) months
(For each entry, a visa is usually good for an initial stay of 59 days)
PAYMENTS MUST BE MADE IN CASH, POSTAL MONEY ORDER, BANK DRAFT, OR CASHIER’S CHECK ONLY. PERSONAL CHECKS ARE NOT ACCEPTED.
And these fees from the schedule of fees for renewing tourist visa waivers and tourist visas:
TOURIST (NON-RESTRICTED) ADMITTED INITIALLY FOR 21 DAYS MAY BE EXTENDED FOR ANOTHER 38 DAYS
Visa Waiver Application Fee P1,000.00
Visa Waiver P 500.00
LRF P 30.00
Express lane fee P 500.00
Add it all up and it comes out to right at $50 USD at today’s exchange rate … so since even a 10 peso overcharge is a big thing to a lot of visitors, tell me why you think it’s smarter to ‘skirt’ the law if not out an out breaking it, pay nearly twice as much and lose at least a day of your vacation wearing shoes and long pants (you know you can’t go in shorts and sandals, don’t you?) at the Bureau of Immigration.
Myself, when the legal way is also the easiest and cheapest way, the choice seems clear. YMMV.
There’s more on the subject of Philippine Visas and Philippine Visa Waivers here.
All information contained in this article and the entire website is personal opinion/experience only. If you need legal advice, seek it from a competent practitioner.
Being a Fil-Am couple, my asawa and I obtain one-year balikbayan visas when we arrive at NAIA. All we need to do is ask for them from the immigration clerk after deplaning, and be prepared to produce proof of (former) citizenship and proof of marriage. We’ve never been asked to produce any proofs in the 25+ years we’ve been visiting, however.
Most every Fil-Am couple I know makes use of balikbayan visas whenever they return home for a visit. The small number who don’t are surprised to find out about them; and some have even discovered that, on previous trips, they unknowingly were given balikbayan visas.
There are a couple of additional privileges connected to this visa that fall in the duty-free and tax-free categories, but they’re not that important to short-term visitors.
Hi Paul,
Thanks for visiting and for eaving such a useful comment. I tried to write the post “short” (by my wordy standards) so of course didn’t take an extra sentence or two to make it clear I was talking about toutist visas. I’ve written many times about the Baliak Bayan, in fact it’s how I got here and how I was able to move y household goods here, easily.
But absolutely, for Former Filipons or Phil-Am couples the Balik bayan is the way to go … but not for single non-Filipino tourists. Thanks again, Paul.
Hi Dave,
I was under the impression that the “day you arrived” (date your passport is stamped) was the first day, but you say “you count this from the first full day you are in the Philippines”.
Secondly, you say “airline should have refused them boarding “- why would the airlines refuse them boarding? Is this a US rule? And how would the airlines know if they were going to extend their Visa or not? It makes no sense to me.
You are right about sending a prepaid return envelope, even though the Visa application does not specifically state this! I did not include one here in Austria, and I phoned them them a week later inquiring where my passport was. “But sir, you did not include return postage!” was the reply. They were holding it in the Embassy, but had never contacted me.
Thanks for the article.
Hi John,
Delighted to see you on. Good comments too, here’s y cut at the answers:
#1. Couting says: I actually used to excplain it differently, but the language I used came from a BI phamphlet I have see. You can count the days from the first full day you are in the Philippines until the day your passpoprt gets stamped, de[paetring. or, you can count the days from the day your passport is stamped “Arrived’ until the day _before_ your passport is stamped on departure … it will comes pout the same. The point ius, there is a ‘spare’ day …the day you arrive in the Philippines _or_ the day you depart the Philippines is not counted.
A relarted quesyion that I was asked before but could find no reference for … I learned from personal expereince last month. The BU at NAIA apparently keeps the same ‘day’ from start of a business day to start of the enxt day, they do not ‘start’ the new day at midnight. I arrived at 00:30 on the 24th of February and it was closer to 0100 on the 24th before my passport was stamped, but it shows me entering on the 23rd. People have asked me that ‘midnight’ question several times, centering around the idea tat they would “drag their feet” leaving the airplane and “walk slow” so as to arrive at the Immigration kiosk _after_ midnight local. Apparently, that doesn’t copunt.
Late night arrivals do, though, “cheat” the visitor out os aday, so if you can plan to arrive at like 0600 or 0900, it’s better becuase you get more time to do somehting on that day.
Secondly, “Why would airlines refuse them boarding’? They were scheduled to be in the Philippines 1 day longer than 21 days, is why. The airline violated the law by boarding them. In order to gain their certificate to allow them to fy passengers to the Philippines, an airline has to agree to follow the laws of the Philippines. This includes insuring passengers they deliver here are properly documented. Fines for not comply can range as high as $50,000 USD ($10,000 USD is typical), _PLUS_ the airline bears the responsibility of returning the ‘refused’ person to point of origin or ‘home country’. This is actually a pretty common rule, world wide, and the reason the airlines typically check passports, visas and dates.
Yes it is surprising how many people have run afoul of that return postage deal in many different countries. One could take the position it is “bad customer service” on the part of the consulates/embassies … or could could take the position of being a clerk in the bowels of the building and having these passports piled on your desk with now addresses, no envelopes and no budget for postage. Either way, it is about you getting your document back, rather than the correctness of your opinion … sometimes people lose sight of this fact.
Even with my years of service in the most well-funded government service in the world … USA … there is more than one time something didn’t get done … or some government employee dug into his/her own pocket to get something done … because the budget had no line item for a stamp, or a cheap long distance call, etc.
Hi Dave,
You missed a point in my “why should the airlines care” question. If you are on a 21 day Visa, the airlines shouldn’t care. If you have booked a flight to return in 45 days or whatever, then they shouldn’t care either, as it is very easy to renew your Visa in the Philippines as you have stated above. So what is the purpose of having the airlines control passenger stays in Philippines, when they have no idea if the person is extending or not.? It makes no sense.
John, I’m surprised that someone who has been in the Philippines as many times as you have would make the mistake of ascribing logic to law … especially Philippine law.
The laws/rules, as dictated by the Tmatic database … which all major airlines are set up to follow … says that passengers must have return or onward travel in-hand before boarding … within their period of authorized stay. The law does _not_ account for extending.
If no visa, must have onward travel within 21 days of arrival. If on a tourist visa, must have onward travel within 59 days of arrival in the Philipines. The only exceptions are:
Philippine citizens
Balikbayan and their spouses and children if traveling together
Holders of permanent visas (13a, 13g, SRRV, et al)
And the airlines are charged with assuring the onward travel is in-hand before boarding the visitor.
Does this make sense, given that anyone may extend? Ummm, not much I suppose, but since when did the law have to make sense?
In Lexington, Kentucky it is illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket.
Quebec law states that all business signs must be in French. If the owner wants English on the sign then the French print has to be twice as large as the English print.
In the UK it is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British king or queen’s image upside-down.
Philippine Republic Act 7279 (the Urban Development and Housing Act) states: Trespassers who disregard property rights cannot be made to move out and their illegal structures cannot be demolished without the landowner finding a relocation site for them and paying them first.
Need I continue?
Cheers
The reason is that the airline is responsible for returning someone to their home country if they overstay their Visa.
The airlines will force people to buy a round-trip ticket.
A workaround is to but a one-way ticket to the PR with a 21 day stay and a ticket to another country, such as Hong Kong or Malaysia but not to use it.
I don’t know if this still works, but I know someone who bought a round-trip ticket to PR from the US and ended up getting an extended Visa, so he cashed in his ticket for the flight home and is still there as far as I know.
I’m sure their are others that can explain this better than I, but that’s basically it.
Ok guys, I know about the round-trip ticket, but had never heard anywhere that it was enforced by the airlines as well as the Bureau of Immigration! Thanks for the info!
John, It is enforced now days buy airlines , it happend to me recently.(maybe like anything else with philippines depends on who you have to deal with).
I have a degree in Spanish and Latin American Studies and I’m planning to move to Asia or Western Europe to pursue a job in translation, interpreter, banking, etc. I heard that if I tell them that I’m simply traveling there that I’ll be fine. But if I tell them I’m moving there, then I may have problems. I figured all I would need to bipass this is to get a working VISA for whichever country I decide on. That may be a lengthy process though. Anyway, it’s good to know I’ll have a chance of working around red tape if things don’t go as planned if they get going at all. Thank you for the postage!
Well working visas” in many countries are usually obtainable only after you have a working contract … job. The Philippines is easier than some, in that you can find a job, have your employer submit the application for your visa, and get it approved while still in the Philippines. many countries only allow the visa to be given on entry, so people wind up leaving the country in order to come back and work there … yep, sounds strange and it is.
The Philippines is pretty easy in that a US citizen gets a 2 month tourist visa just by asking and paying a small fee (you don’t have to play any sort of game about telling any ‘story’, you want it, you get it. The tourist visa can then be extended, 2 months at atime up to 16 months total stay just by paying fees every 2 months, and the whole 16 month cycle can be repeated by leaving the country (like on a two hour flight to Macau, returning and starting anew.
As far as job, though, well, who can say. The foreigner jobs for Americans here are slim … mostly in the tech area (example mining engineers are always in demand). If I read you right about Spanish-English translation, you won’t find much demand there … there are many Spanish speakers (and a heck of a lot of Spanish “borrow” words in Filipino use), it was a Mexican and then Spanish colony for nearly 400 years.
It’s so much easier for a foreigner to earn elsewhere via the Internet and live here than to find a conventional ‘job’ here that I don’t know why more don’t do it … we sometimes seem to be ‘stuck in a rut’ about how e earn a living. Anyway …
i have traveled to phills several times over the last twenty years.This year is the first i have had a problem with obtaining an air ticket.When making flight dates i was asked if i had a visa to stay for three months(the period of my intended stay)I replied no i will receive my 21 day visa on arrival then visit the alien bureau as required for my extensions.I was refused a ticket for three month because i had no visa .Never has this been a problem before.I was told i could book my ticket for 21 day return then apply for another return date at the airline office in cebu.This would incur charges, one fixed for flight rescheduling and another for flight cost differences this cost being an unknown variable. My question, is this now the the practice of booking offices, to need proof of having a visa before travel?
Hi Ken,
I explained everything I know in the article that you just commented on, Ken. Sorry, but the law hasn’t changed in the past 10 years or so. Philippine law says, you mist have a tourist visa in your passport to book longer than 21 days. A return ticket or onward travel. What experience you had in the past is what experience you had in the past, but an airline who books you for longer than 21 days risks a stiff fine (as much as $50,000 USD is what I have been told) and in addition, if the airline carries passenger to the Philippines contrary to that law, they are compelled to carry the passenger back home, at their expense.
That’s why I wrote the article to try to clear up the mystery … many people have come and gone contrary to that law, but what it boils down to is a situation like speeding on the highway … the fact that “everyone does it” is no defense if you run into a cop with a radar gun and an itch to write a ticket.
Many people also have book and bought tickets only to be denied boarding on the day of departure.
Sorry, but the facts are what the facts are.
as a UK passport holder i am granted a 21 day visa (us passport holders receive longer) on arrival at Phils customs/immigration. NOWHERE have i seen that your passport must have this visa stamped in your passport BEFORE you travel.Once in the Phills it is straight forward to extend your stay .Not to get to bogged down in useless ‘i know better than you ‘ arguments.It would be helpful if someone was able to give details to WHERE we can see for ourselves these ‘LEGAL’ requirements.To much waffle is to be found about this subject already (visa ‘s}.It would seem that this discussion revolves primarily about the AIRLINES requirements.This being so , it would be appreciated if someone could tell me where this OFFICIAL requirement can be found.
Hi ken,
Thanks for commenting. You raise some interesting points, however I have to suggest that perhaps you should re-read the article and the comments because you seem a bit upset and annoyed at issues you raise … which haven’t been raised at all.
First of all, I am not arguing with anyone. And I don’t necessarily know more than you or anybody else .. but I do know what the Philippine Bureau of Immigration and the Philippine Immigration law has to say. I guess the references in the article weren’t clear.
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http://immigration.gov.ph/
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If you want authoritative information, it’s there … I don’t get my information anywhere else.
There is no issue about having the 21 Day Visa Waiver in your passport before departure. That has never been required and is not now.
However, the airlines are not legally allowed to carry you _to_ the Philippines on a blank passport without a ticket for onward travel within 21 days from your date of entry to the Philippines.
It is immaterial that people have been carried by the airlines for longer stays without a visa .. as my analogy about speeding tickets or getting away with other things, if they happen to baord you, fine, but they are putting themsleves and you at risk. Soime airlines are zealous about checking on this, others seem not to be … it’s their funeral if they get caught.
If you get a visa from the Philippine Embassy before sdeparture, you can then legally book for a 59 day stay.
Hope this helps,the reason I present this information is to clear up mysteries, not to start arguments. There is no argument. If you want to try to skirt the law, feel free, I’m just presenting the facts … hat you do is up to you, but I think you will find my
information is accurate … I always provide sources. Godspeed, sir.
BTW, this page can be used by anyone, it’s provided by the IATA, the world-wide organization of major air carriers. Just follow the steps and it will guide you through the planning process, whatever yur nationality and country of departure
http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/page/travelinformation/PH/back.htm
I want to apply 21 days visit in UK ?do i still need visa on it?becoz here in our country philippines many foreign come by using 21 days visit. So i want to apply on it if ever but how ?I have get some information that if only 21 days visit no need to have visa as long as you have return ticket going back to which country you came from and a passport valid for 6 months.Please help me to get some info on it if i still need visa for just 21 days visit in UK. THANK YOU
Michele, I really have no idea on the requirements for Filipinos visiting the UK. You should find out about important items like this from a site with authority, like the official UK Border Agency site:
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/
Sites like mine are more chit-chat than factual, and you might get the wrong information. Happy travels.
Thank you for clarifying the 21-versus-22 days issue. The problem is that no one in the visa service industry seems to know or understand this, and in fact no one in the Pihilippine LA consulate understands this! I will be traveling to the Philippines soon, arriving on a Saturday and leaving 3 Saturdays later. I contacted the visa section of the Philippine consulate about whether I need I visa or not. Their terse response was simply this:
You will start counting day 1 upon the arrival date in Manila..
That’s it. This seems to imply they believe that Sat-Sat is 22 days not 21.
Do you have any written justification for your statement that counting starts on the first FULL day in the Philippines? I’d really like to be able to point to something concrete in case I have an issue at the airport. I’d also like to point this out to the LA consulate, which appears to not understand its own laws.
@Marc (ID 4907): Hi Marc, thanks for reading and for contributing. I have received various publications and links over the years which explained how to count the 21 days, and sometimes one was more confusing than the next, The simplest way is to start counting the day AFTER you arrive and leave by the ‘leave by’ date stamped in your passport. This is essentially what the response you received indicates. Here’s a recent “Count 21 Days” guidance document from the Philippine Embassy, Germany, which pretty much explains exactly, including the terminology I used.
According to my calendar and my count, a Saturday arrival, followed by a departure on the third Saturday following, is indeed, 21 days. Hope some of this will help, but remember, as with my story in this same article regarding the totally different treatment/counting of the two ladies arriving on the same flight on the same day, I’m a layman reporting on what I see and find … what Immigration does at the airport is, at times, a mystery.
Hi am Irine married to japanese,i just want to ask how can my husband get a long term visa in the Phils. we’re palnning to stay there for good,is it difficult for him to get it?
I have a couple of questions I haven’t seen addresses here:
1. Where in the Philippines does an American go to extend a visa? I have always had a Filipino immigration attorney do it, but my attorney has apparently left the country and is no longer responding to email or phone calls. Additionally, my ACR is expired, so I’m pretty sure I need to go myself to whatever Filipino government building that does all of this. Or am I wrong?
2. In the eight years I’ve been in and out of the Philippines, I have never heard of an American being able to get anything other than a tourist visa – even if married to a Filipina – unless he’s willing to plop down quite a bit of money into some kind of bond (i.e. for a “business” visa). How is it that an American can qualify for a Balik Bayan visa?
Hi Rick, thanks for writing in. Two good questions. Two good answers:
1. Where to renew a tourist visa, and take care of most any other Philippine Immigration requirements. There are many places to chose from. See
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128&Itemid=72
(note, use the tabs at the top of the listing to view the different types of offices.
Most licensed travel agents also renew visas, normally one doesn’t need an attorney, although any licensed Philippine attorney may do so.
2. Types of Permanent Resident Visas You have not been ‘hearing’ from enough people, perhaps. Here is a quick synopsis of what’s available:
If NOT Married to Filipino/former Filipino;
SVEG (Special Visa for Employment Generation). Investment required. ownership of approved business required. Valid as long as requirements are met.
SRRV (Special resident’s Retirement Visa): requires various levels of investment and/or pensions. Good for life.
If Married to a Philippine/former Philippine Citizen
Both of the above are possible (note that the SRRV is quite cheap for a former Filipino) plus:
3. 13(a) or 13(g) Permanent Resident visa. Costs under P6000, good for life. More info at http://immigration.gov.ph
4. Balikbayan Privilege Program (BB Stamp): Good for one year (at a time), requires entry to the Philippines in the company of the Filipino/former Filipinos spouse.
This should give you enough to get going. I’ve written about all these programs a number of times, as have many others.
Personal h8int: don’t listen, search. Google is our friend
There is more mis-information/negative information out there than the facts would support.
Also, lawyers give legal advice. They do not necessarily know that much about Philippine Immigration law, just as most US attorneys know very little (enough to pass the bar exam) about US immigration law.
Make sure you deal with a legal professional who specializes in immigration law … but you don’t need a lawyer for simple visa renewals/applications (in my non-legal opinion). Godspeed.
I am travelling from Australia on the 30th of December and return on the 21st of January. Do I need a visa considering? Or is the arrival and departure days exempt?
Thankyou
Adam,
Either the arrival or the departure date can be considered exempt, but not BOTH.
If you arrive on the 30th of December, the 21st day after arrival is the 20th of January. If you them leave on the 21st, the 21st is _NOT_ a day in the Philippines, so you should be good.
Or, as some people prefer to count, the 30th is _NOT_ a day ‘in country, so the 21st day of stay is the 21st.
Either way works, just don’t try to wait for the 22nd
Just a small technical question , if my plane lands at 23:55 and I do not go through immigration until 0:30 the next day (35 minutes later) . Do they consider you as when your plane arrives or when you actually go throgh immigration?
Asked and answered here as well as in several articles.
http://philfaqs.com/faqs-and-tips/
Short answer the date that gets stamped will be the date your plane arrives, not the date you go through the Immigration wicket. But,like all things Philippines, YMMV.
Do I need a visa if I am a greencard holder and will be staying for 42 days in Phils? Thank you. I will appreciate your answer.
@ Enna: I have to do a lot of guessing here, but if you are a Philippine passport holder (and if your passport is valid … if not better update it before you travel, your green card isn’t valid without a valid passport to accompany it), then the answer is you are still a Filipino and you can come to the Philippines whenever you like as long as you like. Godspeed.
This is so frustrating. I was worried about the “21 vs 22″ day thing as I am also arriving on a Saturday and leaving 3-Saturdays later. (April 20th-May11 2013) I just got off the phone with the Vancouver (Canada) philippine consulate offices and the guy was very insistant that it is counted as 22 days! Grrrrrrrr. I looked all throughout the B.I website not finding any concrete proof of either count. Do you have something in writing you can email me on this subject? Thanks
Terry
@ Terry:
Thanks for writing in. be of good cheer and stop worrying. It doesn’t have to be so hard. In the article you are commenting on here I explained in some detail how this works. You count 21 days from the day that FOLLOWS the day your flight touches down to the day your outbound flight departs. It doesn’t get much simpler than that. Your proposed dates show a legal 21 day stay. Just apply the KISS principle. There is no reason to be frustrated by this, you’re making it much too hard.
I have already written thousands of words on this subject, yet for some reason it seems harder to solve than a Rubik’s Cube. If you really can’t accept the simple solution and you want something from the “horse’s Mouth” (the Consulates, by the way have no authority/special knowledge in this, they don’t even work for the same branch of government as the Bureau of Immigration), then call or email the ones who DO enforce the rules:
I advise you to write a simple email, posing the question you just posed me. Based on my past experience with the BI, submitting similar questions, you should get an authoritative response within a couple days. Or just relax and go with the flow … you are stressing where no stressing is required.. Godspeed.