(Was formerly Philippines Questions — Round 11)
This is an update or amplification of a post first made back in 2008. I’m going through the blog and updating, correcting, and amplifying some of the posts to make them more useful to my readers. I’m also redoing some non-descriptive titles so that Google Search will find you the information you need, faster and more accurately, so you can better make the decisions you need to about Moving to the Philippines.
Today’s question involves a basic one and I’ll add a few amplifying comments
Should I Reacquire Philippine Citizenship before leaving the US or After I Return to the Philippines?
The simplest answer is, either way will work fine. It’s a matter of dollars and cents and time factors. Pros and cons sort of shake out like this:
If you reacquire while still living in the US the costs and the process at the Philippine Embassy in DC or at the Consulate office which serves your state
(you can’t pick and chose, here’s where you find out which Philippine Consulate office serves you)
may well be cheaper than after you move to the Philippines. You have to consider that If you reacquire in
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the Philippines you will have to travel to the Bureau of Immigration in Intramuros, Manila at least once, according to my most recent information. Thus the cost difference between the two will vary, depending on where you live now and where you will live in the Philippines.
You can save a little, on either side of the pond if you get your 13 series visa … Philippine Permanent Resident visa … at the same time the spouse reacquires. Items such as passport renewal, registration of foreign marriage, registration of children and such can be accomplished at the same time as well. A couple ‘think it through carefully’ thoughts:
- Registration of your marriage: If you married in the US, sooner or later you are going to be asked for your marriage contract when you live in the Philippines. Trust me, you will. You can not use a US marriage certificate for many Philippine government requirements unless it is certified by the Philippine department of Foreign Affairs in the US. This can not be done later in the Philippines, so get it done before you leave.
Re-reading this it occurs to me that even though I have made this number one on my list and even bolded a few things to set them off, I still wish there was a way to highlight it more brightly. You made need your marriage certificate (or more often here called marriage contract) for many things you may not be thinking of now, as well as the common reason for acquiring a spousal permanent residency visa, traveling and availing of the Balikbayan Privilege program, etc. Get it done before you leave your home country!!
- Registration of Children: Even if your children were born in the US, as long as one of their parents was a Philippine citizen at the time of their birth, they are natural born Filipinos under Philippine law. You may think holding Philippine citizenship could never be an advantage to them, but unless you can predict the future better than I can, you may want to make sure they are registered now so that they can avail of things restricted to Filipino citizens in the future … voting, land ownership, etc. (they can’t vote or own land until they reach maturity under Philippine law).
By the way, these children do not need to reacquire Philippine citizenship, since they ‘performed no act’ to lose their citizenship, as their parent did, they are still 100% Philippine citizens whether the parents think of then as Filipinos or not. Only the person who ‘performs and act’ such as as swearing allegiance to the US loses their citizenship. Children, under Philippine law can not legally perform such an act, so they are what they were legally at birth.
- Philippine Passports: Depending upon your decision on the children’s citizenship, you may wish to get them Philippine passports. If you intend for them to travel with their US passports, they will have to either travel with the Filipino/former Filipino parent and enter as Balikbayan or they will have to have a permanent residency visa, so Philippine passports may be a useful thing to have. Just the money and time you’d save in visas and processing alone makes this seem a useful choice.
- Are You Sure Reacquiring is the Right Thing?: My wife, who lost her Philippine citizenship by becoming a US citizen was sure she wanted her Philippine citizenship back. So she now has it and is a full-fledged dual citizen. When I get around to applying for my permanent residency visa I will be able to do so based on her Filipino citizenship. But suppose, for whatever reason, she had chosen not to reacquire Philippines citizenship? I could also be living here based on her former Filipino status just as easily.
- Both a Filipino spouse or a spouse with former Filipino status can acquire a permanent residency visa in his or her own right as well as sponsor a spouse and all minor children of their marriage.
- There is no compelling need to reacquire just so the family can live in the Philippines.
- Another alternative open to former Filipinos is the SRRV program. I have several foreign former Filipino friends who did not wish to reacquire, one is a US citizen and one is a Turkish citizen. They chose to avail of the SRRV (Special Resident’s Retirement Visa) program instead. A former Filipino can invest as little as $1500 USD (which can be part of the payment for a residence (former Filipinos can still own land, unlike non-Filipinos)) and bring his or her spouse and minor children along under the program.
So in summary, decide first if you are positive you want to reacquire Philippine citizenship and then decide if you wish to spend the money and time before you travel here or after you make the move to the Philippines. Many seem to be ‘stuck’ on this issue and in truth, it is just not that big a deal. You can succeed in your move using either method.
A good decision aid in this somewhat complex area of planning your Philippine move is Bob’s excellent Philippine Immigration Guide
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Hello Philly, and Happy Holidays to you and your whole family! This was a very interesting post–in the future on your Q & As could you please elaborate on the SRRV program? If you have already, please direct me to a past article.
Hello Philly,
Thanks to you and your site for all that it provides. Would appreciate your knowledge/experiences/helpful hints/lessons learned/hindsight/”if I could do it over I would?” etc.,
re: retiring from the fed government (process)
becoming an expat (items/documents to bring)
interaction/expectations of foreign spouses
with Phillippine family e.g. should or shouldn’t you reside
in close proximity, support, etc
Dave, sorry for the broad laundry list…a “one over the world” response is ok
regards
Thanks for the good info Dave! Another question is when you say a child born to a Philippine citizen and a citizen of another country has Philippine citizenship. What if that person became a U.S. citizen before their child was born? Am talking about my wife a former Philippine citizen who by taking the U.S. oath of citizenship has lost her Philippine citizenship. Would our adult kids be considered Philippine citizens are not? Merry Christmas Robert
Hi Dave, I posted this in another thread – don’t know if you missed it.
In “Moving Plans – Permissions”
Hi Dave, here is something I am going to raise: In Canada, issues like getting dual citizenship there, rather than here in the Philippines came up too. I have heard comments like: It may be easier here in Canada but then they will have records in the embassy of this, hence keep on sending “notices” to file income tax returns.
Is this true? I know that when we immigrated to Canada, I had renewed my philippine passport there, and have been receiving notices to file returns. I filed because I had no income anyway – was a student. But later, I stopped filing. I recalled they stopped sending me notices too.
@Ellen: Youknow, Ellen, I think I’m going to have a lot of tax-related questions outof this subject and I really don’t know that it makes any difference where a Filipino reaquires so far as his/her tax responsibilities. I would thibk thta they certaibnly know about anyne who reaquires at overseas embassies, and for sure they do enough paperwork for those who reaquire here that the BIR should get the info. I’m not really sure.
Thanks Dave, I don’t know too. I was hoping some of your readers might have some experience to share. No big deal, as this is not affecting me.
You don’t want to read the tax regulations here. I’ve been doing that the last few days – already giving me a migraine. Problem is that it keeps on changing, so you don’t even know what you are reading is up to date or not
@Robert Graves: So far as I know those children born after the loss of citizenship are not Filipino citizens. I believe that is why the Reaquisition Act (RA-9225) includes those children automatically when the former-Filipino parent reaquires.
@Harvey: Hi Harvey. My wife woke up before me this morning and when I walked past her on my way to the coffee pot she laighed and said, “You wanted questions, you got questions” and laughed. Now I know why *smile*
I appreciate your participation but seriously I’ve been writing here neraly three years now and most of what I have been writing is centered on those particular subjects. In particular I wrote a 10 part series, as it happened that starts here:
that you might find of interest.
So far as federal retirement goes I write about that often on my http://www.retiredpay.com blog … inorder to answer any questions on federal retirement I first need to know one thing, CSRS or FERS … there’s so many differences between them that I could write a bookand have all the info wrong if it was for the opposite plan. Merry Christmas
@queeniebee: Thnaks and happy holidays back to you and yours. You muight like to start with:
and
and, of coures the programs own site: