Comments on: There’s No Progress in the Philippines? http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/ Move Philippines, Jobs Philippines, Business Philippines Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:38:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Philly http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6997 Philly Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:38:29 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6997 @Chas: Thnaks Chas, I'll be looking at the site. You know back in the 1920's when the auto industry first began to take off it was by no means certain that gas engined cars were the best. Google Baker Electric or the Stanley brothers. Electric vehilces, within their limitations, are nothing new, work very well and have been running successfully for more thna a century. A friend on another Philippine-related site used to be a manager for the department of Water and Power in LA. Thye had a number of electric cars in their fleet.. ideal for foremen going out to supervise a job, running local earrands, etc. The mamagement reserved them for company drivers who had committed some action that required disiplne ... they took away their gas cars and gave them the electrics as punishment. Wonder why none of the employees ... who were in the elctic power business ... were very keen on electic cars. You don't think it might have been a triumph of perception over reality, do you? @Chas: Thnaks Chas, I’ll be looking at the site. You know back in the 1920′s when the auto industry first began to take off it was by no means certain that gas engined cars were the best. Google Baker Electric or the Stanley brothers. Electric vehilces, within their limitations, are nothing new, work very well and have been running successfully for more thna a century. A friend on another Philippine-related site used to be a manager for the department of Water and Power in LA. Thye had a number of electric cars in their fleet.. ideal for foremen going out to supervise a job, running local earrands, etc. The mamagement reserved them for company drivers who had committed some action that required disiplne … they took away their gas cars and gave them the electrics as punishment. Wonder why none of the employees … who were in the elctic power business … were very keen on electic cars. You don’t think it might have been a triumph of perception over reality, do you?

]]> By: Chas http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6986 Chas Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:06:13 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6986 Hi Philly,Interesting article,good to see advances in e-power.Its amazing some of the things available, checkout, electricmotorsport.com although not relevant to PI,it may interest some readers,regards Chas. Hi Philly,Interesting article,good to see advances in e-power.Its amazing some of the things available, checkout, electricmotorsport.com although not relevant to PI,it may interest some readers,regards Chas.

]]> By: Philly http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6935 Philly Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:06:56 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6935 @John in Austria: You're reading ny mnind, John. Actually the cousin who had the electric motorcycle import business had a clmsy protoype e-trike ... it had a big flat roof with two flat panels and it was good for four hours r mnor eon a sunnt day withut any plug-in charge. If I were building them/selling them solar pannels would be a must ... the Philippines is ultra-rich in solar energy. I also have the idea (free to anyone who wnats it) of charge staions. tricycles all 'base' out of certain 'terminals', owned by the various local TODA (Tricycle Owner Driver Associations). You don't just buy a trike and start driving, you have to be accepted and pay for entry ito the TODA. Well the TODA oculd own spare batteris and j\keep them in a rack, charged. If a driver was running low he could just roll in and swap his batteries for freshly charged one ... for a fee of course. The part that is mazing to me is none of this is anything new ... these are just electric gold cart batteries, motors abnd controllers. Gold courses have been using them for years, but trike drivers don't play golf and golfers don't ride tricycles. @John in Austria: You’re reading ny mnind, John. Actually the cousin who had the electric motorcycle import business had a clmsy protoype e-trike … it had a big flat roof with two flat panels and it was good for four hours r mnor eon a sunnt day withut any plug-in charge. If I were building them/selling them solar pannels would be a must … the Philippines is ultra-rich in solar energy.

I also have the idea (free to anyone who wnats it) of charge staions. tricycles all ‘base’ out of certain ‘terminals’, owned by the various local TODA (Tricycle Owner Driver Associations). You don’t just buy a trike and start driving, you have to be accepted and pay for entry ito the TODA. Well the TODA oculd own spare batteris and j\keep them in a rack, charged. If a driver was running low he could just roll in and swap his batteries for freshly charged one … for a fee of course.

The part that is mazing to me is none of this is anything new … these are just electric gold cart batteries, motors abnd controllers. Gold courses have been using them for years, but trike drivers don’t play golf and golfers don’t ride tricycles.

]]> By: Philly http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6934 Philly Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:58:37 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6934 @Neal in RI: Good points, Neal. On cost. I've seen several studies that indicate it would be a lot cheaper. From acti\ual expereince, I currently pay right at 18 cents US per kilowat hour. How much would the overnight charger use? I dunno but the average wuld surely be less thna 1 kilowatt each hour ... so 8 hours of charge should be well under 8 kilowatt hours or less than $1.44 per day ...wich is way ubnder athe cost for a half gallon of gas ... plus two stroke oil which is exspensive. I had a cousin selling much smaller electic scooters up in olongapo (he went broke waiitng for LTO approval ... I think I wrote about it n Bob's blog, anyway he said it would be well under $30 USD per night ... but those were smaller vehciles/batteries so i added in a large fudge factor. It would have to be less espensive what what these gys have to pay now. So many less moving parts too. Even more important than just the cost alone ... theair and \nois epollution reduction would be sweet, to say the least. I urban areas (where these things would be well suited) charging facilitres wouldn't be a problem ... most guys in my area who have trikes live in houses with electricity ... and there would always be some neighbor who would let you stick a cord in the window for a small fee ;-) @Neal in RI: Good points, Neal. On cost. I’ve seen several studies that indicate it would be a lot cheaper. From acti\ual expereince, I currently pay right at 18 cents US per kilowat hour. How much would the overnight charger use? I dunno but the average wuld surely be less thna 1 kilowatt each hour … so 8 hours of charge should be well under 8 kilowatt hours or less than $1.44 per day …wich is way ubnder athe cost for a half gallon of gas … plus two stroke oil which is exspensive.

I had a cousin selling much smaller electic scooters up in olongapo (he went broke waiitng for LTO approval … I think I wrote about it n Bob’s blog, anyway he said it would be well under $30 USD per night … but those were smaller vehciles/batteries so i added in a large fudge factor. It would have to be less espensive what what these gys have to pay now. So many less moving parts too.

Even more important than just the cost alone … theair and \nois epollution reduction would be sweet, to say the least.

I urban areas (where these things would be well suited) charging facilitres wouldn’t be a problem … most guys in my area who have trikes live in houses with electricity … and there would always be some neighbor who would let you stick a cord in the window for a small fee ;-)

]]> By: Philly http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6933 Philly Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:45:57 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6933 @Ellen: The official capacity is 'just one more' ;-) If there's an extra pig or two you could let it run alongside on a leash, I imagine. @Ellen: The official capacity is ‘just one more’ ;-) If there’s an extra pig or two you could let it run alongside on a leash, I imagine.

]]> By: John in Austria http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6931 John in Austria Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:53:48 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6931 It would be helpful to have a few solar panels installed on each trike. Unfortunately this would add to the cost, but save on electricity. They do have nice flexible ones for boat decks. You can even walk on them. Plus, the cost of buying a new trike for most Filipinos would be prohibitive. I saw my first electric bicycle up here in Austria - it goes for 60 kms but requires all night charging when empty, and that is for a one-person vehicle. It's a great idea though! It would be helpful to have a few solar panels installed on each trike. Unfortunately this would add to the cost, but save on electricity. They do have nice flexible ones for boat decks. You can even walk on them.

Plus, the cost of buying a new trike for most Filipinos would be prohibitive. I saw my first electric bicycle up here in Austria – it goes for 60 kms but requires all night charging when empty, and that is for a one-person vehicle. It’s a great idea though!

]]> By: Neal in RI http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6930 Neal in RI Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:07:54 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6930 Have they done the research into the cost of operating the E-Trikes? From what I recall the price of Electricity in the RP is very high and does the average low income Trike operator have access to the recharging facilities to operate them. Have they done the research into the cost of operating the E-Trikes?
From what I recall the price of Electricity in the RP is very high and does the average low income Trike operator have access to the recharging facilities to operate them.

]]> By: Ellen http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6929 Ellen Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:58:08 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6929 Oh I am sure they will find a way to do it. :) Oh I am sure they will find a way to do it. :)

]]> By: Philly http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6927 Philly Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:32:28 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6927 @Ken Lovell: Ha ha Ken, I recon the big one pictured can ... that's at least a '6 pax' rathing which is way more thna 4 people and a room's worth of furniture ... now, of course it would depend on the size of the og ;-) @Ken Lovell: Ha ha Ken, I recon the big one pictured can … that’s at least a ’6 pax’ rathing which is way more thna 4 people and a room’s worth of furniture … now, of course it would depend on the size of the og ;-)

]]> By: Ken Lovell http://philfaqs.com/editorials/and-they-say-theres-no-progress-in-the-philippines/comment-page-1/#comment-6924 Ken Lovell Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:52:09 +0000 http://philfaqs.com/?p=1127#comment-6924 But can the e-trike carry four passengers, a lounge suite and a small pig? But can the e-trike carry four passengers, a lounge suite and a small pig?

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