US Visitor Visa concerns.
Originally published sometime back.
Significantly updated (30 December, 2017) and corrected for my current reader’s information.
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US Visitor Visa Concerns (known as a B2 Visa to the US State Department) for Filipinos.
- 0.1 US Visitor Visa Concerns (known as a B2 Visa to the US State Department) for Filipinos.
- 0.2 Frequent Questions:
- 0.3 US Visitor Visa Concerns and questions:
- 0.4 Timely Warning
- 0.5 The original US visitor visa questions and my answers/comments:
- 0.6 First: Does she need a passport?
- 0.7 Second: Does she need a visa?
- 0.8 Third: Is she eligible to apply?
- 0.9 Main Obstacles To Getting a US Visor’s Visa:
- 0.10 A Promise Means Nothing
- 0.11 The Job Of The US State Department
- 0.12 Who Is a High-Risk Applicant?
- 0.13 A Common Scam, Don’t Fall For It
- 0.14 Is This Risky?
- 0.15 Coming to Meet Her Man? More US Visitor Visa Concerns:
- 0.16 Legal Ways
- 0.17 Your Friend Will Be Suspected of Cheating The System
- 0.18 The Intention To Return is the Holy Grail
- 0.19 If You Haven’t Dealt With The USCIS Before, Prepare To Get A Rude Awakening
- 0.20 But I Can’t Afford to Fly To The Philippines
- 0.21 One Other Thing to Consider
- 0.22 This Even Happens To Older Visa Holders
- 0.23 But Wait, How Can I Find Out My Actual Chances?
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It occurred to me today that I hadn’t written about these issues in some time when I opened an email from a reader here with some specific questions.
US Visitor Visa Concerns and questions:
Here are a few thoughts on the subject from my answer to him, along with some important source links. This can be a very difficult subject, so be sure you go to official sources.
This is also a prime area for fixers to pop out of the woodwork … there are probably more “fixer problems’” in this area than any other legal activity I know of in the Philippines.
- Be sure you follow the official US State Department steps
- Use only real, true legal documents. You can’t go buying a birth certificate on Recto Street and expect to get a visa issued.
- The folks at the US embassy have seen every scam in the book.
- There are no legitimate shortcuts.
- Anyone, US citizen or Filipino who says “I can guarantee a visa” is either a fraud or stupid. Avoid them!
- No one outside the US Embassy can “guarantee” issuance of a visa.
The original US visitor visa questions and my answers/comments:
Q: Can my Filipina friend get a US Tourist Visa?
Thanks for writing. Yes, foreigners may have a very difficult time visiting the US, depending mainly upon their nationality, age, marital status and economic means. I am assuming that you are writing about a friend in the Philippines who holds Philippine citizenship, correct?
First: Does she need a passport?
Essentially anyone who wants to visit the US must first hold a valid passport.
Be especially careful here. A great many problems and issues I have experience with center around the fact that many Filipinos seem “addicted” to the idea of using a ‘fixer” or some sort of “backdoor” method to get their Philippine passport.
Do it right the first time and save yourself a lot of grief. here is where you start: http://passport.com.ph/ .
I could regale you with a dozen or more tales of woe that people have brought me over the years here that involved getting a “phony” or fraudulent Philippine passport and then getting caught. The outcome is never pleasant.
So step number one, for sure, is to make sure she gets a real, valid passport through the proper Philippine government channels. NO FIXERS, please.
Second: Does she need a visa?
People from countries which do not have a reciprocal ‘no visa’ agreement with the US must have a visa, issued by the US State Department in their home country (no, she can’t travel to Hong Kong, let’s say, and have a US visitor visa issued there) before they can depart for the trip.
The Philippines falls in that category, Filipinos must have a visa before they can board a flight to the US.
Third: Is she eligible to apply?
Any Filipino has the right to apply for a US visitor’s visa. It can even be started online now from the US Embassy, Manila, website. (In fact, it has to be started at this webpage).
The cost is US $160, cash, payments are made through Philippines banks, (after the application is submitted) and the application fee is non-refundable. that means, no, if the visa is not granted, you do not get a refund..
So it makes good sense to be sure you meet all the requirements and have a good chance of being approved before applying.
You also might want to also read this page from the Embassy … always better to go to the source rather than listening to ‘what people tell you’. (This certainly includes me. Go to the source).
The amount of misinformation I have heard personally on Filipina girlfriends getting US visitor’s visas is literally ASTOUNDING. Don’t listen to what “Joe” told you down at the VFW. Read it for yourself!
Main Obstacles To Getting a US Visor’s Visa:
As the State Department says, their main concern is evidence that will convince the Consular Officer that the applicant has ties here in the Philippines sufficient to cause the applicant to return to the Philippines.
Typically this includes real estate or incorporated business owned here, spouse living here, other family members, higher-level employment, money in the bank, etc.
A Promise Means Nothing
There are at any given time hundreds of thousands of Filipinos in the USA “overstaying” their visas, that is, failing to return to the Philippines.
Sad fact, but it’s the truth.
The Filipinos even have a slang for it, TNT … tago nang tago … literally translates to “hiding and hiding”.
The Job Of The US State Department
The duty of State Department Consular Officers is to reduce or eliminate this problem.
Also, something you as an American citizen must understand.
The level of rhetoric and mudslinging regarding the US government’s supposedly “slack” or “lax” immigration procedures has never been higher in the USA than it is now.
When US politicians spit as they complain about “illegal immigrants”, they ain’t just talking about Mexicans swimming the Rio Grande into Texas.
I’m over 70 years of age and I have never seen such outright hate spewing all across the USA regarding “Illegals”.
Like it or hate it, it’s a current fact of life.
So as government employees, you can expect that US Consular Officers are going to be even more vigilant in 2018 and onward.
Who Is a High-Risk Applicant?
A young person is usually a very high risk.
Why? Becuase they typically have no substantial ties here in the Philippines.
They have nothing to lose if they leave and don’t return.
A young, single woman is a particularly high risk.
In addition, the consular officer is scared she will find illegal (but readily available) work in the US and fail to return
Second, she may find a husband in the US and not even have to worry about finding a job.
A Common Scam, Don’t Fall For It
One very common issue that the Consular Officer often asks about is money in the bank … here in the Philippines, of course.
It is sadly very common for young ladies to tell their US friend that they need the loan of $15,000 or $20,000 dollars to put in the bank.
This is just temporarily as a loan, so the US Embassy will grant them a visa.
Is This Risky?
Does this sound risky? Oh, you bet it is. It’s probably cons[iracy Immigration Fraud against the US government too.
First, in my experience, the Consular Officers check with the bank to see how long the money has been on deposit.
Oh, the account just got opened and the money all got deposited in one lump week or two ago? Hmmm.
If YOU were the Consular Officer would YOU grant the visa?
Again, remember, these guys and gals are not dumb. they see this crap all the time.
Second, the entire relationship may be phony, put together just for the purpose of getting you to advance that much money.
Think that is rare?
It isn’t, and many times this scam never gets reported because the American feels so embarrassed after he finally shifts over to thinking with his “big head.”
And if you decide to report it, you report it to whom?
Your Local policeagencyy?
“Let’s see”, says your local police officer, “Help me understand here.
You sent $20,000 bucks to a woman in the Philippines you have never met, for the purpose of committing immigration fraud against the government of the US”? “Let’s start filling out this incident report ….
Umm, never mind officer ….
Third: Suppose you do send the money and she convinces the Embassy to issue a visa.
Do you think there is even a remote chance that she might then withdraw the money and fly to the USA on her own and never even contact you?
She can live a long, long time on $20,000 dollars, hidden away in the Filipino community in the USA.
And even if you find her, she has committed no crime that is really prosecutable in the US.
Good luck on getting any help from law enforcement on this issue.
You are as guilty of a crime as she is, only she was the smart one. You? Not so much.
Coming to Meet Her Man? More US Visitor Visa Concerns:
If the consular officer gets the idea she is trying to visit the US to meet an available man, it’s a virtual certainty the application will be denied.
In the officer’s mind here’s virtually no chance she is coming back to the Philippines if the officer issues her the visa to allow her US entry.
In order for a Filipino and American couple to live together legally in the USA there are two common visa programs available.
The Fiancée’ Visa, (K-1), which allows the Filipino citizen to come to the US for 90 days and if s/he decides to, marry the US citizen and then apply for a Change Of Status to become a Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) in the USA.
Or the US Citizen can come to the Philippines. marry his intended partner, and then petition for a Condition Relative (CR1) visa which allows the Filipino partner to enter the USA and live legally as the spouse of the American citizen.
These visas are not that hard to get, but they require a much more complex application process, costs a LOT more than the fee for the US Tourist (B2) visa and take as much as a year to process.
You can get more free help on K-1 and CR1 visas by clicking here.
Your Friend Will Be Suspected of Cheating The System
Nobody wants to pay more and wait longer.
So many couples Tty To “Cheat The System” by getting the Filipino friend a US Tourist Visa.
Trust me, the Consular Officers at the US Embassy are very much aware of this “shortcut”.
In most cases (aside from visiting a boyfriend, that is) the reason a Filipino/a wants to visit the USA is not important.
Many people cook up dramatic, sad stories about why they need to visit.
Mostly, the Consular Officer doesn’t care about the WHY. They only care about the intention to return.
The Intention To Return is the Holy Grail
These are the cold hard facts of life, my friend.
Her word means nothing.
All applicants are basically treated as if they are lying (mainly because, sadly, a huge percentage of them _are_ lying).
Your word means nothing.
A US citizen has no real say in the matter. People hired into the Consular Officer jobs are not there because they are stupid, you know.
They most likely know full well that you, as the American citizen, are thinking with your “small head”.
Realistically, the US citizen has no control over the visitor after s/he enters.
Your word may truly be your bond and you may have every intention of insuring she returns to the Philippines.
That’s something you have no control over.
In reality, if she does get a visa and enters the US, you are not her “keeper”.
She is free to do anything she wants,
Up to and including leaving you … you can’t call your local police or anything like that because unless or until she does anything against the law, there is no police matter to deal with.
If you try to restrain her in any forceful manner, you yourself are going to get into a criminal situation on your own, really quick.
Realistically, you do not know this woman at all.
If it were to turn out she is not who you think she is in real life, what alternatives would you have?
You can’t call the police and have her arrested for overstaying,
If she runs off on her own the only crime is an immigration violation.
You can only report the offense to the USCIS (formerly the INS) and they will add her to the list for apprehension/deportation.
Typically that could take 10 years.
So you can see why this is considered a worthwhile gamble for Filipinos … even if eventually caught, they might get 10 years or more in the US for a hundred and sixty dollar visitor visa … better odds than buying lottery tickets for sure.
If You Haven’t Dealt With The USCIS Before, Prepare To Get A Rude Awakening
Many Americans get really angry when you bring out the facts this way.
Get used to it.
In immigration matters you have little or no say in the matter.
Just look at the news every day with people constantly complaining about illegal immigrants, even arming themselves and threatening violence in some cases, and you’ll see why the laws are the way they are … if I were a Consular Officer, I’d probably deny a huge percentage of the applicants I interviewed as well.
Hope this answers your questions, although I doubt the answers made you happy.
My advice? You want to meet this young lady? Come to the Philippines yourself.
But I Can’t Afford to Fly To The Philippines
Well, then, my friend, the truth is, you can’t afford to get into this sort of arrangement either.
I hear from so many broke people who somehow think the laws of good sense with their money just don’t apply if there’s a Filipina involved.
Pick yourself up, get a job. start your own business, save money, get out of debt and THEN go looking for romance.
I know those words may sound tough, but you just can’t “wish” your way to instant gratification these days. Sooner or later you have to “Man Up”. In this case, the time is now.
One Other Thing to Consider
The visa, once issued and in the passport if NOT a guarantee the individual is going to be able to enter the USA.
The visa is, if you will, a “license” which allows the USCIS officer at the Port Of Entry (POE), is, and only if the USCIS officer feels she meets the USCIS criteria for entry.
He or she can deny entry to any visa holder. And in today’s environment, this happens more and more frequently.
The individual on a tourist visa may not receive payment (except for incidental expenses) from a United States source while on a B-1/B-2 visa.
In other words a Tourist Visa holder can NOT work in the USA, paid or unpaid.
Coming to the USA on a Tourist Visa and then going TnT to take an illegal, “under the table” job is a prime goal of many applicants.
USCIS officers are experts in sniffing out these sort of schemes, and they, too, are “under the gun” to be especially alert and suspicious given the current USA anti-immigrant mindset.
Be honest. How many of you were familiar with the term “vetting” before the current administration took office?
So make damn sure your friend doesn’t indicate she is even thinking of any sort of paid employment in the USA if she gets the visa.
She could easily be turned back and returned to the Philippines at the US POE.
This Even Happens To Older Visa Holders
Recently a Filipna woman I know of arrived at LAX with a shiny new passport and US Tourist visa. The USCIS officer she met with wanted to know where she would be staying and how she would support herself (vetting of visitors, remember)?
Well the prospective visitor gave the officer the phone number for a relative in the USA.
The officer called and the woman who answered said, “Oh yes, she’s my sister, can’t wait for her to get here because she’s going to be our invalid mother’s care giver”.
BZZT. Wrong answer.
The lady in question was held at the airport for 12 hours until she could be put back on the next plane leaving for Manila.
Shiny new B2 Visa or not, she was denied entry because being a care giver, paid or unpaid, is “work” and a tourist visa holder can NOT work in the USA.
You guys all read the newspapers and watch Fox News, right? “immigrants stealing US jobs” and all that hoopla? Trust me, it’s real.
But Wait, How Can I Find Out My Actual Chances?
Fortunately there is a way to get a much more authoritative estimate than I can offer.
You can go to RapidVisa.com
(these guys are business associates of mine, if you decide to by anything from them I earn small commission)
and absolutely free, with no obligation, follow the link for “Tourist Visa” at the top of the page.
Then, when the new page opens, again at the top of the page, click on “Approval Odds”.
Answer the simple online questionnaire and you’ll get a result varying between this:
Hope this helps with your US Visitor Visa Concerns.